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42-31188 \/ Dead Man’s Hand [via<\/a>]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Eyewitness Statements to ths loss of B-17 #42-31188 \/ Dead Man’s Hand<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The plane was on fire, and all attempts were made by me to extinguish the flames before leaving the ship, but as they could not be extinguished, all crew member bailed out. None were injured before bailing out. (The whole left wing was on fire.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I was injured after I landed in the trees, nothing too serious, however, I did not receive any medical aid until I returned to the front lines on the morning of May 8, 1945, and again in the afternoon at a front line field hospital.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Robert F. Glazener<\/em>
Pilot, B-17 #42-31188<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Mor precise information as to Lt. Cramer’s whereabouts at the time of his death may be obtained from the knowledge of my position at the time. Since at the time, Chemnitz, Germany constituted the front lines, the entire crew bailed out between that city and Frieburg. I myself, since I was never taken prisoner, was hidden by German civilians in the little village of Haselbach, about 40 miles from Chemnitz. Lt. Cramer, then, would have bailed out nearer to that city, perhaps 15-20 miles due East.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I believe it is logical to assume that Lt. Cramer was killed by civilians, since our flight engineer was rather badly beaten up by them. Even in the very small village where I was hidden, persons were pointed out to me who had even gone in search of allied airmen for the explicit purpose of killing them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Raymond E. Fortier
Navigator, B-17 #42-31188<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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At 5050N – 1335 E – 1225 hours at 19000 feet just after rally point 2 Me 262’s attacked the formation. They hit the high squadron only and made one attack. Came in from 7 o’clock – a little high and hit #3 man in the high squadron, aircraft 188 #1 engine caught on fire and crews report parts of engine or wing disinterating. Aircraft 188 went down at once – but apparently under control and crews report 3 chutes out and what they believed to be an attempt to make crash landing behind friendly lines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Source: MACR 14180<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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