{"id":19404,"date":"2021-10-05T16:15:25","date_gmt":"2021-10-05T14:15:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/?post_type=b17mystery&#038;p=19404"},"modified":"2021-10-05T16:19:14","modified_gmt":"2021-10-05T14:19:14","slug":"b-17f-bei-illerrieden-ulm-am-29-04-1944","status":"publish","type":"b17mystery","link":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/mystery\/b-17f-bei-illerrieden-ulm-am-29-04-1944\/","title":{"rendered":"B-17F at Illerrieden (Ulm) on 29 April 1944"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>On April 29, 1944, a previously unknown B-17F crashed near Illerrieden (Ulm). According to the KU-1728 report, no crew was found and presumably one fatality. The B-17 was completely destroyed in the crash.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The target of the day for the 8th Air Force on Berlin, which is after all about 530km away from Illerrieden (Ulm).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For me there are a few inconsistencies, which I would like to list here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the B-17F was &#8220;completely destroyed&#8221; according to KU-1728, how did one recognize that it was a B-17F? Of course, F-versions were still in service in spring 1944, nevertheless the G-versions with the chin turret were already increasingly used.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On this 29.04.1944, only two B-17F were lost:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-3158-max\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">42-3158 \/ Max<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-3513\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">42-3513<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Crash sites of the two B-17s are known and therefore do not come into question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Further information and documents<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the archives I found a document with chronological sequence of crashed airplanes of the US Air Force for the 29.04.1944. In it also the unknown B-17F near Illerrieden (Ulm) is mentioned.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"765\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Downed-US-Aircraft-765x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-19406\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Downed-US-Aircraft-765x1024.jpg 765w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Downed-US-Aircraft-224x300.jpg 224w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Downed-US-Aircraft-768x1028.jpg 768w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Downed-US-Aircraft-1147x1536.jpg 1147w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Downed-US-Aircraft-1529x2048.jpg 1529w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Downed-US-Aircraft-scaled.jpg 1912w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 765px) 100vw, 765px\" \/><figcaption>The time data is German time, so English time +1 hour.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>For the timing of the mission, I found the flight route of the 351st Bomb Group with time data &#8211; certainly English time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"781\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Track-Chart-1024x781.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-19407\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Track-Chart-1024x781.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Track-Chart-300x229.jpg 300w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Track-Chart-768x586.jpg 768w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/29-04-1944-Track-Chart.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>Over the target (Berlin) the 351st Bomb Group was between 11:12 o&#8217;clock &#8211; 11:42 o&#8217;clock (English time).<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Comparing the times from both documents, Berlin was attacked between 12:12 PM &#8211; 12:42 PM German time. And then at 13:30 the unknown B-17 is said to have crashed near Illerrieden (Ulm).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to this, the B-17 flew over 500km in one hour. I think this is extremely improbable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It remains exciting to find out which B-17 it was. Maybe it was not a B-17 at all?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"An unknown B-17F crashed at Illerrieden (Ulm) on 29 April 1944, without crew members. over 500 km away from that day&#8217;s target Berlin, Germany.","protected":false},"featured_media":19405,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":[],"mystery-tags":[1774],"mystery-status":[1770],"class_list":["post-19404","b17mystery","type-b17mystery","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","mystery-tags-b-17f","mystery-status-new"],"translation":{"provider":"WPGlobus","version":"3.0.0","language":"en","enabled_languages":["de","en"],"languages":{"de":{"title":true,"content":true,"excerpt":true},"en":{"title":true,"content":true,"excerpt":true}}},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/b17mystery\/19404","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/b17mystery"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/b17mystery"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=19404"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/19405"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=19404"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"mystery-tags","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/mystery-tags?post=19404"},{"taxonomy":"mystery-status","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/mystery-status?post=19404"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}