{"id":54,"date":"2015-12-26T19:43:00","date_gmt":"2015-12-26T18:43:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/webarbeiten\/b17\/?page_id=54"},"modified":"2022-07-03T14:14:20","modified_gmt":"2022-07-03T12:14:20","slug":"b-17f","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/versionen\/b-17f\/","title":{"rendered":"B-17F"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The main difference between the E and F models was the wider propeller blades with which the new model was equipped and which gave it better flight performance. The F model was produced in much larger numbers by three different manufacturers. Minor changes in details were made at each factory. The manufacturer was encoded in a suffix added to the model and block: BO stood for Boeing, VE for Lockheed Vega, and DL for Douglas. This made it clear that an aircraft with the designation &#8220;B-17F-50 VE&#8221; had been manufactured by Lockheed.<\/p>\n<p><div id=\"attachment_11236\" class=\"b17img-caption wp-caption mx-auto aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px; width: 100%;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-11236 size-new_medium\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/b-17_42-5077_-600x401.jpg\" alt=\"B-17F-30-BO #42-5077 'Delta Rebel No. 2' \/\/ [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons\" width=\"600\" height=\"401\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/b-17_42-5077_-600x401.jpg 600w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/b-17_42-5077_-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/b-17_42-5077_-768x514.jpg 768w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/b-17_42-5077_-500x334.jpg 500w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/08\/b-17_42-5077_.jpg 842w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><div class=\"wp-caption-wrapper\"><p class=\"wp-caption-text text-center\"><small>B-17F-30-BO #42-5077 &#8216;Delta Rebel No. 2&#8217; \/\/ [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons<\/small><\/p><\/div><\/div>The B-17F&#8217;s arrived in England in August 1942 and were destined to fly throughout 1943. However by the summer of 1944 they were a rare sight on operational bases. The planes were subsequently re-modifed by the idividual bases to cope with the unique problems that com to light in air combat. The aircraft, designed and tested in warmer climes, had to cope with the extremly low temperatures and high humidity of altitude flight. Problems encountered in the first few missions: the brushes in the electrical generators frozen up, the ball turret would not rotate, guns jammed, there was blind spot in the forward zone of fire and the tail was very heavy.<\/p>\n<div class=\"my-3\"><small>Werbung\/Advertisement<\/small><br \/>\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\n     style=\"display:block; text-align:center;\"\n     data-ad-layout=\"in-article\"\n     data-ad-format=\"fluid\"\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-8860322341892117\"\n     data-ad-slot=\"7270855245\"><\/ins>\n<script>\n     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\n<\/script><\/div>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;To find out at the beginning as us tried as one attacks the B-17 best, tried we bomb to and so on everything, even the bombers bombs. But we found out that the best tactics consisted in attacking her from the front and we used the 190s for it as end of &#8217;43. The time at which you could shoot was very short since the approach-speed was very high. But, when you have hit the B-17 from the front, you have hit the cockpit or the engines mostly. There were only four 190s groups after this time which attacked from behind, which were called the &#8220;storm troops&#8221;. If the B-17 didn&#8217;t burn or the garrison didn&#8217;t jump down, then these 190s rammed the bombers at the tail unit or the rudder.&#8221;<br \/>\nWalter Krupinski<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_958\" class=\"b17img-caption wp-caption mx-auto aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 547px; width: 100%;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-958 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-657-6304-24_Luftwaffe_Modelle_eines_Bombers_und_J\u00e4gers.jpg\" alt=\"Bundesarchiv, Bild 101I-657-6304-24 \/ Meschke \/ CC-BY-SA 3.0 [CC BY-SA 3.0 de (http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/3.0\/de\/deed.en)], via Wikimedia Commons\" width=\"547\" height=\"681\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-657-6304-24_Luftwaffe_Modelle_eines_Bombers_und_J\u00e4gers.jpg 547w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-657-6304-24_Luftwaffe_Modelle_eines_Bombers_und_J\u00e4gers-241x300.jpg 241w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-657-6304-24_Luftwaffe_Modelle_eines_Bombers_und_J\u00e4gers-500x622.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 547px) 100vw, 547px\" \/><div class=\"wp-caption-wrapper\"><p class=\"wp-caption-text text-center\"><small>Bundesarchiv, Bild 101I-657-6304-24 \/ Meschke \/ CC-BY-SA 3.0 [CC BY-SA 3.0 de (http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/3.0\/de\/deed.en)], <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-657-6304-24,_Luftwaffe,_Modelle_eines_Bombers_und_J%C3%A4gers.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">via Wikimedia Commons<\/a><\/small><\/p><\/div><\/div>\n<h2>Weak point<\/h2>\n<p>By November 1942, the Luftwaffe fighter pilots had realized that they could attack a B-17F head-on and be safe from return fire from the actual plane. The fitted 0.30-calibre michine gun in the plexiglass nose was ineffective so individual Bomber Groups decided to replace it with the more destructive 0.50-calibre guns. A nose gun installation kit was provided by 8th Air Force Service Command and the importance of a forward mounted turret on a B-17 was impressed upon the manufacturers. The work on converting the nose turret was very slow and could be only be carried on when the aircraft was free from combat commitments. It was not until May 1943 that B-17F&#8217;s with a factory fitted nose gun mount landed in Britain.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Germans got to the beginning of the war from the side or behind. But they got for a lot counter-intelligence fire at 25 to 30 B-17s. When they found out that the B-17 had less fire strength in the nose, they changed the tactics. You came in V formations of the front. For us it looked like a line, now and then, however, they came in the inverted V and we shot onto the middle which, however, wasn&#8217;t in range yet. At the next trace it was a normal V perhaps again and the middle was nearer than the outer positions. These came toward us with really high speed. You came with 400 miles and we flew 160 and fired her with her 20 mm cannons on the cockpits as soon as we were within range in the hope to meet something. One could see coming the 20 mm and one hoped that they didn&#8217;t meet. After the attack they shifted and came back. Only if they found a single machine, they were not effective from the front, they then came back from the side or behind. A machine at which one or two engines had failed was alone put on herself and the guys of the air force took their time to hit the fuel tanks on the two fuselage sides.&#8221;<br \/>\nRobert Davila, Pilot der USAAF<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_861\" class=\"b17img-caption wp-caption mx-auto aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px; width: 100%;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-861 size-new_medium\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/media-26791-600x486.jpg\" alt=\"http:\/\/www.americanairmuseum.com\/media\/26791 \/\/ CC-BY-NC 3.0\" width=\"600\" height=\"486\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/media-26791-600x486.jpg 600w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/media-26791-300x243.jpg 300w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/media-26791-768x621.jpg 768w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/media-26791-1024x829.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/media-26791-500x405.jpg 500w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/12\/media-26791.jpg 1546w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><div class=\"wp-caption-wrapper\"><p class=\"wp-caption-text text-center\"><small><a href=\"http:\/\/www.americanairmuseum.com\/media\/26791\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">www.americanairmuseum.com<\/a>\/\/ CC-BY-NC 3.0<\/small><\/p><\/div><\/div>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;At the beginning only the Fw 190 attacked the bombers and the Bf 109 only was used as escort. Most attacks were flown from the front. If the bombers noticed that the 190s came, they often flew a curve from 10 or 15 degrees. This made it hard to come flying up from the front again.&#8221;<br \/>\nWalter Krupinski<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h2>Several problems<\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_12058\" class=\"b17img-caption wp-caption mx-auto aligncenter\" style=\"max-width: 600px; width: 100%;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-12058 size-new_medium\" title=\"Ball Turret Gunner\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/b17-ball-turret-600x477.jpg\" alt=\"Ball Turret Gunner\" width=\"600\" height=\"477\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/b17-ball-turret-600x477.jpg 600w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/b17-ball-turret-300x239.jpg 300w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/b17-ball-turret-768x611.jpg 768w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/b17-ball-turret-1024x814.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/b17-ball-turret-500x398.jpg 500w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/09\/b17-ball-turret.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><div class=\"wp-caption-wrapper\"><p class=\"wp-caption-text text-center\"><small>Ball Turret Gunner<\/small><\/p><\/div><\/div>\n<p>The failure of the ball turret was of greater concern on the early models. Apart from the problem with retaion, the oxygen line, throat microphone, and flying suit heater cords all became tangled during normal combat operations. The gunner also feced the risk of running out of oxygen. The bottle contained insufficient oxygen for a normal mission and it was the job of the waist gunner to re-charge the ball turret cylinder but the valve often froze open and supply quickly emptied.<\/p>\n<p>Other Problems included a leaking hydraulic unit, and a turret door that was prone to cracking. Getting out of the turret in an emergency was also a painfully slow procedure. The gunner had to hand-crank the turret in to the correct position, then lift himself out of the hatch and put on a parachute. Needless to say ball turret gunner was the least popular job amoung B-17 crews.<\/p>\n<p>By May 1943, the US VIII Bomber Command had listed a dozen priorities for standard modifications: nose gun fittings, upper turret charging handles, armor plate protection for the pilot&#8217;s panel, more ammunitin for the gun in the radio room, an increase in the oxygen supply to all turrets, new radio antennae, Mark III IFF sets, a remote indicating compass and a life-raft realease. there was also a list of less important changes such as bullet proof glass in windows, re-locating waist gun sites for a better field of fire, fitting of GEE and changes to the oxygen system.<\/p>\n<p>The cold conditions the aircraft operated in tended to freeze the bomb bay doors and the bomb shackles. In early missions this problem was overcome by one of the crew using a crow bar on on the frozen mechanism. Experienced crews would test the bomb bay door operation before they were on the bomb run.<\/p>\n<p>Nothing could be done to stop the plane from being tail heavy but crews were warned about storing equipment and ammunition near the rear.<\/p>\n<p>Another cause for condern was the ability of the waist gunners to inadvertently fire into the wing and tail. In July 1943 an electrical cut off system was fitted which automaticlly stopped the gun firing pins if the gun was aimed at any part of the plane.<\/p>\n<p>One of the most important changes in the development of the B-17F was the addition of extra fuel tanks giving the plane another 1080 US gallons. effectively, this increased the B-17F&#8217;s range by 1000 miles and the operational radius doubled to 650 miles. The extra fuel units were called &#8220;Tokyo Tanks&#8221; (supposedly adding enough range so that a B-17 could get to Tokyo from a carrier in the Pacific) and were made up of nine rubber self-sealing cells placed betwenn of ribs of both wings. These long-range versions first appeared at English bases in May 1943.<\/p>\n<div class=\"my-3\"><small>Werbung\/Advertisement<\/small><br \/>\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\n     style=\"display:block; text-align:center;\"\n     data-ad-layout=\"in-article\"\n     data-ad-format=\"fluid\"\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-8860322341892117\"\n     data-ad-slot=\"7270855245\"><\/ins>\n<script>\n     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\n<\/script><\/div>\n<h2>Random B-17F from database<\/h2>\n\n\n\n        <div id=\"b17database\" class=\"row b17s-2col\">\n\n\n\n            \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-5447\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-5261\/\" title=\"42-5261\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image\" alt=\"B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress &#8211; The Queen Of The Skies 42-5261\" title=\"B-17 #42-5261\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/themes\/nine-o-nine\/assets\/images\/b17-no-photo.webp\" \/><\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-5261\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-5261\">42-5261<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>While at Boeing Field force landed with Harry Hanson 25\/10\/42; Geiger 5\/11\/42; Blythe 14\/12\/42; Hobbs 13\/3\/43; Roswell 24\/5\/43; 3108 BU Kingman 18\/6\/44; 4100 BU Patterson 21\/9\/44; 3010 BU Williams 31\/1\/45; 2114 BU Lockbourn 16\/7\/45; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Albuquerque 9\/8\/45.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-9329\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-29502-big-time-operator\/\" title=\"42-29502 \/ Big Time Operator\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image\" alt=\"B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress &#8211; The Queen Of The Skies 42-29502 \/ Big Time Operator\" title=\"B-17 #42-29502 \/ Big Time Operator\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/themes\/nine-o-nine\/assets\/images\/b17-no-photo.webp\" \/><\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-29502-big-time-operator\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-29502 \/ Big Time Operator\">42-29502 \/ Big Time Operator<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Cheyenne 26\/12\/42; Salina 11\/1\/43; Morrison 31\/1\/43; Assigned 416BS\/99BG Navarin 20\/2\/43; Oudna 4\/8\/43; battle damaged 27\/7\/43 with Henderson, Imrie, Coen, Bulkley, Shelnutt, Buxton, Swanson, Litwalk, McDonald, Book, Blackburn; crash landed Bone, Alg; Missing in Action Toulon 24\/11\/43 with Silas Adams, Malboef, Reed, Delsman, Gocek, Shattuck, Kahler, Vargo, Lahti, Oshin; crashed Mediterranean Sea, eight chutes seen and life-rafts dropped. Missing Air Crew Report 1308. BIG TIME OPERATOR.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-3211\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30060\/\" title=\"B-17 #42-30060\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"709\" height=\"692\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/42-30060.jpg\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image wp-post-image\" alt=\"B-17 #42-30060\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/42-30060.jpg 709w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/42-30060-300x293.jpg 300w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/42-30060-500x488.jpg 500w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/42-30060-600x586.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 709px) 100vw, 709px\" \/>\n                            <\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30060\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-30060\">42-30060<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Cheyenne 6\/4\/43; Colorado Springs 16\/4\/43; Patterson 18\/4\/43; Peterson 5\/5\/43; Dow Fd 30\/5\/43; Assigned 1 Photo GP Buckley 1\/6\/44; 2 Ph GP Buckley 2\/8\/44; 91 Ph Map Gp Buckley 12\/9\/44; 311 Ph Wing Buckley 6\/2\/45; 4100 BU Patterson 26\/5\/45; 3 WER Grenier 5\/6\/45; 3 WER McChord 19\/6\/45; 53 RCN McChord 21\/7\/45; 1 WER Grenier 14\/8\/45; 53 RCN Grenier 23\/8\/45; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Kingman 24\/1\/46.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-13599\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30225-mister-yank\/\" title=\"42-30225 \/ Mister Yank\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image\" alt=\"B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress &#8211; The Queen Of The Skies 42-30225 \/ Mister Yank\" title=\"B-17 #42-30225 \/ Mister Yank\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/themes\/nine-o-nine\/assets\/images\/b17-no-photo.webp\" \/><\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30225-mister-yank\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-30225 \/ Mister Yank\">42-30225 \/ Mister Yank<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Cheyenne 30\/4\/43; Sioux City 11\/5\/43; Smoky Hill 11\/6\/43; Dow Fd 2\/7\/43; Assigned: 562BS\/388BG [&#8211;J] Knettishall 1\/7\/43; MIA Hanover 27\/7\/43 Pilot: John Denton, Co-Pilot: Nathan Fair, Engineer \/ Top Turret Gunner: Bob Hayman, Ball Turret Gunner: Ed Cordts, Waist Gunner: Tom Kennedy, Tail Gunner: Chas Scott (6KIA); Navigator: Bill Davis, Bombardier: Ed Basham, Radio Operator: Frank Glose, Waist Gunner: Ivan Walter (4POW); flak KO&#8217;d #3 &#038; set ship on fire, crashed on airfield at Vechtal, near Aurich, Germany. MACR 3131. MISTER YANK.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-11688\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30655\/\" title=\"42-30655\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image\" alt=\"B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress &#8211; The Queen Of The Skies 42-30655\" title=\"B-17 #42-30655\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/themes\/nine-o-nine\/assets\/images\/b17-no-photo.webp\" \/><\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30655\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-30655\">42-30655<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Amarillo 5\/7\/43; Cheyenne 25\/7\/43; Gore 2\/8\/43; Geiger 3\/8\/43; Pendleton 12\/8\/43; on training flight crashed in mountains 33 miles ESE of base near Gibbon\/Tollgate, OR with Lewis Hubbard, Navigator: Walter Fitzmaurice, Eng Off-Francis Stephenson, L\/Chf-Sgt Phil Rogers (4 Killed in Service) 16\/8\/43; Written off 17\/8\/43.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-14561\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30444-ramrod-ramsbottom-aka-black-jack-iv\/\" title=\"B-17 #42-30444 \/ Ramrod Ramsbottom aka Black Jack IV\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"863\" height=\"636\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/42-30444-photo.jpg\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image wp-post-image\" alt=\"B-17 #42-30444 \/ Ramrod Ramsbottom aka Black Jack IV\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/42-30444-photo.jpg 863w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/42-30444-photo-300x221.jpg 300w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/42-30444-photo-768x566.jpg 768w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/42-30444-photo-500x368.jpg 500w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/42-30444-photo-600x442.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 863px) 100vw, 863px\" \/>\n                            <\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30444-ramrod-ramsbottom-aka-black-jack-iv\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-30444 \/ Ramrod Ramsbottom aka Black Jack IV\">42-30444 \/ Ramrod Ramsbottom aka Black Jack IV<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Cheyenne 1\/6\/43; Gore 14\/6\/43; Kearney 15\/6\/43; Dow Fd 8\/7\/43; Assigned: 332BS\/94BG [XM-C2] Rougham 8\/7\/43 RAMROD RAMSBOTTOM; MIA Bordeaux 5\/1\/44 Pilot: Harry Lockwood, Co-Pilot: Chas Adcock, Bombardier: George Collins, Engineer \/ Top Turret Gunner: Bob Martin, Tail Gunner: George Bertholdt (5RTD); Radio Operator: Floyd Stevens, Ball Turret Gunner: Floyd Saunders, Waist Gunner: Bennie Livesay, Waist Gunner: Horace Mann (4POW); Navigator: Harry Wiener (KIA); Enemy aircraft, crashed Hourtin, near Le Matouse, 33 miles NW of Bordeaux, Fr. MACR 1893. BLACK JACK IV.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-4571\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-29908\/\" title=\"42-29908\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image\" alt=\"B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress &#8211; The Queen Of The Skies 42-29908\" title=\"B-17 #42-29908\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/themes\/nine-o-nine\/assets\/images\/b17-no-photo.webp\" \/><\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-29908\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-29908\">42-29908<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Denver 6\/3\/43; Tinker 29\/3\/43; Hobbs 4\/4\/43; Ft Sumner 23\/4\/43; Hobbs 14\/6\/43; with Ed Smith force landed base 20\/10\/44; 3017 BU Hobbs 8\/11\/43; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Altus 31\/8\/45.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-11963\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30204-gremlin-buggy\/\" title=\"42-30204 \/ Gremlin Buggy\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image\" alt=\"B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress &#8211; The Queen Of The Skies 42-30204 \/ Gremlin Buggy\" title=\"B-17 #42-30204 \/ Gremlin Buggy\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/themes\/nine-o-nine\/assets\/images\/b17-no-photo.webp\" \/><\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30204-gremlin-buggy\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-30204 \/ Gremlin Buggy\">42-30204 \/ Gremlin Buggy<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Cheyenne 26\/4\/43; Gore 6\/5\/43; Gt Falls 8\/5\/43; Kearney 30\/5\/43; Dow Fd 15\/6\/43; Assigned: 94BG Rougham 17\/6\/43; Transferred: 548BS\/385BG [GX-H] Gt Ashfield 6\/43; MIA Bremen 29\/11\/43 Pilot: Dick Yoder, Co-Pilot: Bob Payne, Navigator: Mort Breslau, Bombardier: Bill Hart, Engineer \/ Top Turret Gunner: Jim Kingdon (5POW); Radio Operator: Theo Schatz, Ball Turret Gunner: Bob Nixon, Waist Gunner: Ed Staman, Waist Gunner: Forrest Mengenhardt, Tail Gunner: Roy Saye (5KIA); flak, crashed Fesenfeld, four miles W of Syke, S of Bremen, Germany. MACR 1581. GREMLIN&#8217;S BUGGY.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-2349\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30317-second-chance\/\" title=\"B-17 #42-30317 \/ Second Chance\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"962\" height=\"647\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/42-30317.jpg\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image wp-post-image\" alt=\"B-17 #42-30317 \/ Second Chance\" srcset=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/42-30317.jpg 962w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/42-30317-300x202.jpg 300w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/42-30317-768x517.jpg 768w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/42-30317-500x336.jpg 500w, https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/08\/42-30317-600x404.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 962px) 100vw, 962px\" \/>\n                            <\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30317-second-chance\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-30317 \/ Second Chance\">42-30317 \/ Second Chance<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Cheyenne 13\/5\/43; Smoky Hill 30\/5\/43; Dow Fd 15\/6\/43; Assigned 562BS\/388BG Knettishall 17\/6\/43; Missing in Action Bremen 26\/11\/43; coll with 42-37838 (401BG) losing entire tail section, crashed Vehne Moor, Bissel, near Ahlhorn, Ger. Missing Air Crew Report 3075. SECOND CHANCE.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n                <article id=\"b17database-9020\" class=\"latest-b17 col-12 col-lg-6\">\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-image\">\n\n                        \n                            <a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30856\/\" title=\"42-30856\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"img-fluid b17-image\" alt=\"B-17 Bomber Flying Fortress &#8211; The Queen Of The Skies 42-30856\" title=\"B-17 #42-30856\" src=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/cms\/wp-content\/themes\/nine-o-nine\/assets\/images\/b17-no-photo.webp\" \/><\/a>\n\n                        \n\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n\n\n                    <section class=\"latest-b17-excerpt-box mb-5\">\n\n                        <h2><a href=\"https:\/\/b17flyingfortress.de\/en\/b17\/42-30856\/\" class=\"\" title=\"B-17 #42-30856\">42-30856<\/a> <\/h2>\n\n                        <div class=\"latest-b17-excerpt\">\n\n                            <p>Delivered Cheyenne 9\/8\/43; Love 10\/8\/43; Cheyenne 11\/8\/43; 223 BU Dyersburg 6\/6\/44; 901 BU Pinecastle 10\/6\/44; 223 BU Dyersburg 16\/6\/44; 554 BU Memphis 6\/11\/44; 223 BU Dyersburg 16\/11\/44; 3451 BY Waycross 1\/3\/45; 244 BU Harvard 4\/3\/45; 223 BU Dyersburg 10\/5\/45; 325 BU Avon Park 3\/6\/45; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Altus 22\/8\/45.<\/p>\n\n                        <\/div>\n\n                    <\/section>\n\n                    <div class=\"clearfix\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n                <\/article>\n\n\n\n\n\n                \n\n\n\n\n            <div class=\"clearfix w-100\"><\/div>\n\n        <\/div> <!-- #b17database -->\n\n        \n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"The main difference between the E and F models was the wider propeller blades with which the new model was equipped and which gave it better flight performance. 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