42-5205
Delivered Cheyenne 8/10/42; Hobbs 2/12/42; Ft Sumner 21/4/43; Hobbs 6/5/43; with W.E. Hendrickson force landed 4136 BU Tinker 21/6/44; 3017 BU Hobbs 12/8/44; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Altus 29/6/45.
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DeutschThe main difference between the E and F models was the wider propeller blades with which the new model was equipped and which gave it better flight performance. The F model was produced in much larger numbers by three different manufacturers. Minor changes in details were made at each factory. The manufacturer was encoded in a suffix added to the model and block: BO stood for Boeing, VE for Lockheed Vega, and DL for Douglas. This made it clear that an aircraft with the designation “B-17F-50 VE” had been manufactured by Lockheed.
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“To find out at the beginning as us tried as one attacks the B-17 best, tried we bomb to and so on everything, even the bombers bombs. But we found out that the best tactics consisted in attacking her from the front and we used the 190s for it as end of ’43. The time at which you could shoot was very short since the approach-speed was very high. But, when you have hit the B-17 from the front, you have hit the cockpit or the engines mostly. There were only four 190s groups after this time which attacked from behind, which were called the “storm troops”. If the B-17 didn’t burn or the garrison didn’t jump down, then these 190s rammed the bombers at the tail unit or the rudder.”
Walter Krupinski
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By November 1942, the Luftwaffe fighter pilots had realized that they could attack a B-17F head-on and be safe from return fire from the actual plane. The fitted 0.30-calibre michine gun in the plexiglass nose was ineffective so individual Bomber Groups decided to replace it with the more destructive 0.50-calibre guns. A nose gun installation kit was provided by 8th Air Force Service Command and the importance of a forward mounted turret on a B-17 was impressed upon the manufacturers. The work on converting the nose turret was very slow and could be only be carried on when the aircraft was free from combat commitments. It was not until May 1943 that B-17F’s with a factory fitted nose gun mount landed in Britain.
“The Germans got to the beginning of the war from the side or behind. But they got for a lot counter-intelligence fire at 25 to 30 B-17s. When they found out that the B-17 had less fire strength in the nose, they changed the tactics. You came in V formations of the front. For us it looked like a line, now and then, however, they came in the inverted V and we shot onto the middle which, however, wasn’t in range yet. At the next trace it was a normal V perhaps again and the middle was nearer than the outer positions. These came toward us with really high speed. You came with 400 miles and we flew 160 and fired her with her 20 mm cannons on the cockpits as soon as we were within range in the hope to meet something. One could see coming the 20 mm and one hoped that they didn’t meet. After the attack they shifted and came back. Only if they found a single machine, they were not effective from the front, they then came back from the side or behind. A machine at which one or two engines had failed was alone put on herself and the guys of the air force took their time to hit the fuel tanks on the two fuselage sides.”
Robert Davila, Pilot der USAAF

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“At the beginning only the Fw 190 attacked the bombers and the Bf 109 only was used as escort. Most attacks were flown from the front. If the bombers noticed that the 190s came, they often flew a curve from 10 or 15 degrees. This made it hard to come flying up from the front again.”
Walter Krupinski

Ball Turret Gunner
The failure of the ball turret was of greater concern on the early models. Apart from the problem with retaion, the oxygen line, throat microphone, and flying suit heater cords all became tangled during normal combat operations. The gunner also feced the risk of running out of oxygen. The bottle contained insufficient oxygen for a normal mission and it was the job of the waist gunner to re-charge the ball turret cylinder but the valve often froze open and supply quickly emptied.
Other Problems included a leaking hydraulic unit, and a turret door that was prone to cracking. Getting out of the turret in an emergency was also a painfully slow procedure. The gunner had to hand-crank the turret in to the correct position, then lift himself out of the hatch and put on a parachute. Needless to say ball turret gunner was the least popular job amoung B-17 crews.
By May 1943, the US VIII Bomber Command had listed a dozen priorities for standard modifications: nose gun fittings, upper turret charging handles, armor plate protection for the pilot’s panel, more ammunitin for the gun in the radio room, an increase in the oxygen supply to all turrets, new radio antennae, Mark III IFF sets, a remote indicating compass and a life-raft realease. there was also a list of less important changes such as bullet proof glass in windows, re-locating waist gun sites for a better field of fire, fitting of GEE and changes to the oxygen system.
The cold conditions the aircraft operated in tended to freeze the bomb bay doors and the bomb shackles. In early missions this problem was overcome by one of the crew using a crow bar on on the frozen mechanism. Experienced crews would test the bomb bay door operation before they were on the bomb run.
Nothing could be done to stop the plane from being tail heavy but crews were warned about storing equipment and ammunition near the rear.
Another cause for condern was the ability of the waist gunners to inadvertently fire into the wing and tail. In July 1943 an electrical cut off system was fitted which automaticlly stopped the gun firing pins if the gun was aimed at any part of the plane.
One of the most important changes in the development of the B-17F was the addition of extra fuel tanks giving the plane another 1080 US gallons. effectively, this increased the B-17F’s range by 1000 miles and the operational radius doubled to 650 miles. The extra fuel units were called “Tokyo Tanks” (supposedly adding enough range so that a B-17 could get to Tokyo from a carrier in the Pacific) and were made up of nine rubber self-sealing cells placed betwenn of ribs of both wings. These long-range versions first appeared at English bases in May 1943.
Delivered Cheyenne 8/10/42; Hobbs 2/12/42; Ft Sumner 21/4/43; Hobbs 6/5/43; with W.E. Hendrickson force landed 4136 BU Tinker 21/6/44; 3017 BU Hobbs 12/8/44; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Altus 29/6/45.
Delivered Newark 20/8/43; 4000 BU Wright Fd 2/6/44; 4100 BU Patterson 14/1/45; 4000 BU Wright 7/3/45; 611 BU Eglin 25/4/45; Re-assigned 31/3/47; 609 BU Eglin 17/4/47; 611 BU Eglin 17/7/47; 4000 BU Patterson 15/5/47; Recl Comp 25/11/49.
Delivered Tulsa 26/11/42; Blythe 5/1/43; Ephrata 24/5/43; 222 BU Ardmore 22/1/44; with Wallace Reed force landed 3017 BU Hobbs 4/5/44; 222 BU Ardmore 17/5/44; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Ontario 14/6/45.
Delivered Cheyenne 31/7/43; Gr Isle 9/8/43; Assigned 407BS/92BG [PY-U/Y] Podington 16/9/43; detailed Bremen 13/11/43 with Hiram Fisher, Co-pilot: Leo Dunaway, Navigator: Don Gusar, Bombardier: Henry Johnson, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Don Yoder, Radio Operator: Tom Arnold, Ball turret gunner: Bob Rhudy, Waist gunner: Ed Payette, Waist gunner: Ed Herlihy,Tail gunner: Sam Aston (10 Killed in Action); crashed on take off Marlborough Farm, Gaydon, Warks, Salvaged 14/11/43. THE SWEETEST ONE.
Delivered Denver 11/7/43; Grenier 17/8/43; Assigned 812BS/482BG [MI-C] Alconbury 18/8/43 (H2-X); transferred APH /44; Salvaged n/battle damaged 29/5/45.
Delivered Denver 2/4/43; Smoky Hill 27/4/43; Dow Field 19/5/43; Presque Is 20/5/43; Geiger 26/5/43; Presque Is 28/5/43; Assigned 349BS/100BG [XR-M] Thorpe Abbotts 5/6/43; Missing in Action Munster 10/10/43 with Ed Stork, Co-pilot: John Minerich, Bombardier: Art Twitchell, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Larry Willey, Ball turret gunner: Paul Caveny, Waist gunner: Doug Brown, Waist gunner: Gordon Shields,Tail gunner: Ira Turner (8 Prisoner of War); Navigator: John Gibbons, Radio Operator: Stefan Palmer (2 Killed in Action); flak set aircraft ablaze, crashed Amelsbeuren, three miles S of Munster, Ger; Missing Air Crew Report 1022. HORNY aka FOREVER YOURS II.
Delivered Denver 6/4/43; Sioux City 14/4/43; Kearney 4/5/43; Dow Fd 25/5/43; Assigned 384BG Grafton Underwood 29/5/43; transferred 413BS/96BG [MZ-U] Andrews Fd 6/7/43; then 339BS [QJ-U] Snetterton 12/6/43; on practice mission sffered engine failure 17/4/44 with Bob Laurie, Co-pilot: Leo Rengers, Navigator: Cliff Jones, Bombardier: Bob Little, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Bill Whitman, Radio Operator: Preston Henderson, Ball turret gunner: Fred Stone, Waist gunner: Bob Corwib, Waist gunner: Albert Kohan,Tail gunner: Lewis Lanham (10RTD-no injuries on crash landing; crash landed two miles SE of East Wretham, Nfk., UK, Salvaged. OLE PUSS II.
Delivered Cheyenne 9/2/43; Pueblo 19/2/43; Salina 25/2/43; Casper 1/4/43; Dow Fd 15/4/43; Assigned 332BS/94BG [XM-H] Bassingbourn 20/4/43; Earls Colne 12/5/43; Rougham 13/6/43; transferred 544BS/384BG [SU-J] Grafton Underwood 12/7/43; On return from the first Schweinfurt mission, 17 August 1943, with battle damage from enemy aircraft, the ship crash landed at Grafton Underwood with Pilot-Randolph G. E. Jacobs, Co-pilot-Eugene A. Boger, Navigator-John Quinn Curtin, Bombardier-James Edward Seibel, Engineer/Top Turret Gunner-Aldo J. Gregori, Radio Operator-Doy J. Cloud, Ball Turret Gunner-Thomas Joseph Vezina, Tail Gunner-Robert L. Compton, Waist Gunner-Jack Keith Goetz and Waist Gunner Lawrence C. Wager (10 Returned to Duty). The aircraft was salvaged. Aircraft Name: EL RAUNCHO
Delivered Cheyenne 1/4/43; Presque Isle 25/5/43; Assigned 534BS/381BG [GD-G] Ridgewell 26/5/43. Pilot Hamden L. Forkner; Co-Pilot Joseph A. Kelly; Navigator Robert E. Hyatt; Bombardier Edwin L. Vincent (substitute for Keith Moore); Engineer/Top Turret Gunner Paul F. Shipe; Ball Turret Gunner Ralph E. Stease; Radio Operator Chester E. Shattuck; Left Waist Gunner Edward F. Sobolewski; Right Waist Gunner Harry H. Horton; Tail Gunner Lin F. Chew. Missing in Action 9missions Schweinfurt 17 August 1943. Forkner, Shipe, Sobolewski and Horton evaded capture; the six others were made Prisoners of War. 42-3227 was hit by enemy aircraft, crashed near Houthem, about 6km NE of Maastricht, Holland, The Netherlands. Missing Air Crew Report – MACR 661.
Delivered Cheyenne 17/4/43; Smoky Hill 24/4/43; Dow Fd 19/5/43; Presque Is 21/5/43; Assigned 92BG Alconbury 13/6/43; transferred 334BS/95BG [BG-Z] Alconbury 16/6/43; 1m, transferred 349BS/100BG [XR-H] Thorpe Abbotts 6/43; Missing in Action Bremen 8/10/43 with Art Becktoft, Co-pilot: Cliff Spencer, Navigator: Walt Nichols, Bombardier: Bob Miller, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Elmer Williams, Ball turret gunner: Chas Marengo, Waist gunner: Ed Hoffman, Waist gunner: Henry Popielarski,Tail gunner: Andy Stanley (9 Prisoner of War); Radio Operator: Floyd Lowe (Killed in Action): enemy aircraft caused heavy damage, crashed outskirts of Bremen, Ger; Missing Air Crew Report 953. WAR EAGLE.
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