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Delivered Dallas 13/8/43; Gore 14/8/32; Dallas 17/8/43; 225 BU Rapid City 29/4/45; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Ontario 12/6/45.
The main difference between the E and F models was the wider propeller blades with which the new model was equipped and which gave it better flight performance. The F model was produced in much larger numbers by three different manufacturers. Minor changes in details were made at each factory. The manufacturer was encoded in a suffix added to the model and block: BO stood for Boeing, VE for Lockheed Vega, and DL for Douglas. This made it clear that an aircraft with the designation “B-17F-50 VE” had been manufactured by Lockheed.
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“To find out at the beginning as us tried as one attacks the B-17 best, tried we bomb to and so on everything, even the bombers bombs. But we found out that the best tactics consisted in attacking her from the front and we used the 190s for it as end of ’43. The time at which you could shoot was very short since the approach-speed was very high. But, when you have hit the B-17 from the front, you have hit the cockpit or the engines mostly. There were only four 190s groups after this time which attacked from behind, which were called the “storm troops”. If the B-17 didn’t burn or the garrison didn’t jump down, then these 190s rammed the bombers at the tail unit or the rudder.”
Walter Krupinski
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By November 1942, the Luftwaffe fighter pilots had realized that they could attack a B-17F head-on and be safe from return fire from the actual plane. The fitted 0.30-calibre michine gun in the plexiglass nose was ineffective so individual Bomber Groups decided to replace it with the more destructive 0.50-calibre guns. A nose gun installation kit was provided by 8th Air Force Service Command and the importance of a forward mounted turret on a B-17 was impressed upon the manufacturers. The work on converting the nose turret was very slow and could be only be carried on when the aircraft was free from combat commitments. It was not until May 1943 that B-17F’s with a factory fitted nose gun mount landed in Britain.
“The Germans got to the beginning of the war from the side or behind. But they got for a lot counter-intelligence fire at 25 to 30 B-17s. When they found out that the B-17 had less fire strength in the nose, they changed the tactics. You came in V formations of the front. For us it looked like a line, now and then, however, they came in the inverted V and we shot onto the middle which, however, wasn’t in range yet. At the next trace it was a normal V perhaps again and the middle was nearer than the outer positions. These came toward us with really high speed. You came with 400 miles and we flew 160 and fired her with her 20 mm cannons on the cockpits as soon as we were within range in the hope to meet something. One could see coming the 20 mm and one hoped that they didn’t meet. After the attack they shifted and came back. Only if they found a single machine, they were not effective from the front, they then came back from the side or behind. A machine at which one or two engines had failed was alone put on herself and the guys of the air force took their time to hit the fuel tanks on the two fuselage sides.”
Robert Davila, Pilot der USAAF

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“At the beginning only the Fw 190 attacked the bombers and the Bf 109 only was used as escort. Most attacks were flown from the front. If the bombers noticed that the 190s came, they often flew a curve from 10 or 15 degrees. This made it hard to come flying up from the front again.”
Walter Krupinski

Ball Turret Gunner
The failure of the ball turret was of greater concern on the early models. Apart from the problem with retaion, the oxygen line, throat microphone, and flying suit heater cords all became tangled during normal combat operations. The gunner also feced the risk of running out of oxygen. The bottle contained insufficient oxygen for a normal mission and it was the job of the waist gunner to re-charge the ball turret cylinder but the valve often froze open and supply quickly emptied.
Other Problems included a leaking hydraulic unit, and a turret door that was prone to cracking. Getting out of the turret in an emergency was also a painfully slow procedure. The gunner had to hand-crank the turret in to the correct position, then lift himself out of the hatch and put on a parachute. Needless to say ball turret gunner was the least popular job amoung B-17 crews.
By May 1943, the US VIII Bomber Command had listed a dozen priorities for standard modifications: nose gun fittings, upper turret charging handles, armor plate protection for the pilot’s panel, more ammunitin for the gun in the radio room, an increase in the oxygen supply to all turrets, new radio antennae, Mark III IFF sets, a remote indicating compass and a life-raft realease. there was also a list of less important changes such as bullet proof glass in windows, re-locating waist gun sites for a better field of fire, fitting of GEE and changes to the oxygen system.
The cold conditions the aircraft operated in tended to freeze the bomb bay doors and the bomb shackles. In early missions this problem was overcome by one of the crew using a crow bar on on the frozen mechanism. Experienced crews would test the bomb bay door operation before they were on the bomb run.
Nothing could be done to stop the plane from being tail heavy but crews were warned about storing equipment and ammunition near the rear.
Another cause for condern was the ability of the waist gunners to inadvertently fire into the wing and tail. In July 1943 an electrical cut off system was fitted which automaticlly stopped the gun firing pins if the gun was aimed at any part of the plane.
One of the most important changes in the development of the B-17F was the addition of extra fuel tanks giving the plane another 1080 US gallons. effectively, this increased the B-17F’s range by 1000 miles and the operational radius doubled to 650 miles. The extra fuel units were called “Tokyo Tanks” (supposedly adding enough range so that a B-17 could get to Tokyo from a carrier in the Pacific) and were made up of nine rubber self-sealing cells placed betwenn of ribs of both wings. These long-range versions first appeared at English bases in May 1943.
Delivered Dallas 13/8/43; Gore 14/8/32; Dallas 17/8/43; 225 BU Rapid City 29/4/45; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Ontario 12/6/45.
Delivered Long Beach 12/11/42; Tulsa 24/12/42; Pueblo 27/1/43; Amarillo 8/2/43; Orlando 4/4/43; Geiger 3/5/43; Ephrata 1/8/43; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Walnut Ridge 14/2/46.
Assigned RAF [FA677] but transferred 419BS/301BG Westover 6-Aug-42; Podington 6-Aug-42; ditched Channel just off Margate, on return from Lille 9-Oct-42 aircraft flew 3 missions. Crew rescued, the first such 8AF sea rescue. No MACR issued. 10RTD.
Delivered Cheyenne 31/5/43; Gore 18/6/43; Rapid City 19/6/43; Geiger 22/6/43; Gr Isle 29/6/43; Dow Fd 24/7/43; Assigned 97BG Chateau-du-Rhumel 24/7/43; Pont-du-Fahs 1/8/43; Depienne 15/8/43; Cerignola 20/12/43; Amendola 16/1/44; Returned to the USA 302 BU Hunter 13/11/44; 4100 BU Patterson 22/11/44; 611 BU Eglin 30/4/45; 75 BU Ashville 26/6/45; 123 BU Seymour Johnson 14/8/45; 76 BU Langley 3/9/46.
Delivered Cheyenne 4/8/43; Gr Isle 11/8/43; Assigned: 338BS/96BG [BX-Y] Snetterton 11/9/43; MIA Munich 18/3/44 Pilot: Bob Muirhead, Co-Pilot: Bob Besse, Navigator: Len Hoenferle, Bombardier: Frank Spencer, Engineer / Top Turret Gunner: John McMillan, Ball Turret Gunner: Bob Blackburn, Waist Gunner: Edgar Weislogel (7POW); Radio Operator: Jerry Peck, Waist Gunner: Bob Seal, Tail Gunner: Bob Haase (3KIA); Enemy aircraft, two engines out, then ship snapped in half over Black Forest, crashed Ditteshausen, near Freiburg, Germany. MACR 3422.
Delivered Cheyenne 8/12/42; 54 Fry Gp Salina 4/1/43; Morrison 5/2/43; Assigned 359BS/303BG [BN-V] Molesworth 25/2/43; Missing in Action Wilhelmshafen 11/6/43 with Rolland Haines, Radio Operator: Ken Kalk, Waist gunner: Ray Martin,Tail gunner: Chas Davis (4 Killed in Action); Co-pilot: Mayer Kramer, Navigator: Dominic DeLorenzo, Bombardier: Tony Morse, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Bob Garcia, Ball turret gunner: Allen Foster, Waist gunner: Bob Morgan (6 Prisoner of War); coll with Fw 190, crashed Aschhausen, NE of Lake Zwischenahner, Ger. Missing Air Crew Report 15228. PAPPY aka GOOD ENUF.
Delivered Denver 13/7/43; Scott 15/8/43; Assigned 548BS/385BG [GX-L] Gt Ashfield 25/8/43; Missing in Action Emden 11/12/43 with Edwin Pollock, Co-pilot: Milo Raim, Navigator: Maurice Alexander, Bombardier: Max Weinstein, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Herb Baber, Radio Operator: Max Schwartz, Waist gunner: Francis Harwell,Tail gunner: Joe Lavia (8 Prisoner of War); Ball turret gunner: Wilf Husband, Waist gunner: Howard Hall (2 Killed in Action); enemy aircraft KO’d #2, crashed yards from Lake Sneekermeer, Offingawier, Holl. Missing Air Crew Report 1665. WEIDNER’S WILDCAT.
Delivered Cheyenne 23/2/43; Gore 8/3/43; Morrison 19/3/43; Assigned 305BG 16/4/43; 1 Base Air Depot, Burtonwood 3/5/43 reason unknown; AFSC 18/5/43; Written off 31/10/44.
Delivered Cheyenne 17/3/43; Pueblo 28/3/43; Presque Is 9/4/43; Assigned 510BS/351BG [TU-L] Polebrook 17/4/43; 39m 2 BAD Warton 5/4/44; Returned to the USA Tinker 7/6/44; Hendricks 9/8/44; Rapid City 12/9/44; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Walnut Ridge 14/12/45. THE DUCHESS.
Delivered Long Beach 20/6/43; Walla Walla 26/7/43; Pendleton 2/11/43; 236 BU Pyote 10/9/44; 244 BU Harvard 10/1/45; 202 BU Galveston 15/2/45; 244 BU Harvard 20/2/45; 4006 BU Miami 14/4/45; 244 BU Harvard 28/4/45; Reconstruction Finance Corporation (sold for scrap metal in USA) Altus 9/10/45.