Production-block:
B-17G-25-BO: 42-31632 to 42-31731
Manufacturer:
Boeing
- Bomb Group:
- 2nd Bomb Group
- Bomb Squadron:
- 96th Bomb Squadron
MACR: 2579
History of
B-17 42-31666 / Miss Laid
Delivered Denver 2/12/43; Kearney 23/12/43; Memphis 1/1/44; New Castle 6/1/44; Morrison 10/1/44; Assigned 96BS/2BG Amendola 12/1/44; Missing in Action {10m} Steyr, Aus. 24/2/44 with Capt John Thalken, Co-pilot: Rich Gower, Navigator: Sam Mayer, Bombardier: Bill Williams, Flight engineer/top turret gunner: Herman Sussman, Radio Operator: George Dean, Ball turret gunner: Karl Letters, Waist gunner: Bob Peterson, Waist gunner: Tom Bell,Tail gunner: Joe Peters (10 POW); enemy aircraft, ditched Mediterranean Sea but all rescued safely; Missing Air Crew Report 2579. MISS LAID,
Last updated: 11. November 2020
B-17 42-31666 / Miss Laid Details
Eyewitness Statements to the loss of B-17G #42-31666 ‘Miss Laid’
2nd Lt. Roger C. DeClements, co-pilot of B-17 No. 42-5777, 96th Squadron which was flying in the second wave, first squadron, second element, second plane.
We were on bomb run, about five minutes before bombs away, and plane No. 42-31666 was to the right and behind us, and somewhat below us. There were only on or two other planes in his squadron at this time. I saw a fighter coming in at 2 o’clock, level which closed to about 200 yards from No. 666 and he apparently got the pilot and co-pilot with his bursts. No. 666 nosed up momentarily and then went into a steep spiraling dive and that was the last I saw of it. It did not seem to be on fire.
2nd Lt. Roger C. DeClements
2nd Lt. Clarence W. Southern, co-pilot of B-17 No. 42-5233, 96th Squadron which was flying in the second wave, first squadron, first element, third plane.
While on bomb run, just after the I.P., at an altitude of 21000 feet I observed plane No. 42-31666 fail out of the formation, go straight up about 100 feet, sit there for about 30 seconds and burning under both wings, near the fuselage. No. 666 peeled off abruptly to the right and went into a steep dive. The pilot of No. 666 straightened it out for a moment then I saw two dark objects come out of the aircraft. Just after that No. 666 disappeared under my wing. That was the last I saw of the above plane.
2nd Lt. Clarence W. Southern
T/Sgt. Harold A. Troutman, upper turret gunner on B-17 No. 42-5777, 96th Squadron which was flying in the second wave, first squadron, second element, second plane.
Plane No. 42-31666 was still leading the second squadron on the bomb run, there was at least three other planes in the squadron. The first I noticed was when No. 666 started dropping back, and then it bursts into flames between the cockpit and No. 3 nacelle. The plane then headed up and climbed very steeply; then it nosed over momentarily and went into a spiraling dive and out of my range of vision.
T/Sgt. Harold A. Troutman
S/Sgt. Anthony J. Sikole, tail gunner on B-17 No. 42-5233, 96th Squadron which was flying in the second wave, first squadron, first element, third plane.
just after the I.P. the second squadron began to move into its trail position for the bomb run. At this time I happened to note the No. 2 engine on plane No. 42-31666 was on fire, then it lifted straight up, tipped on its right wing to swing back and clear, at this time I saw two parachutes come out and open. E/A were attacking all through this period and I was too busy to notice anything more.
S/Sgt. Anthony J. Sikole
S/Sgt. Carl. R. Foster, right waist gunner on B-17 No. 42-5777, 96th Squadron which was flying in the second wave, first squadron, second element, second plane.
I first saw plane No. 42-31666 as he was in a spiraling dive. Three man came out of the waist but only two of the chutes opened. The plane seemed to be on fire under No. 2 supercharger. I had no opportunity to observe anything else about No. 666.
S/Sgt. Carl. R. Foster
B-17 42-31666 / Miss Laid Crew
Position | Rank | Name | Status | Note |
---|---|---|---|---|
P | CPT | John W. Thalken | POW | - |
CP | 2LT | Richard L. Gower | POW | - |
NAV | 1LT | Samuel P. Mayer | POW | - |
BOMB | 2LT | William C. Williams | POW | - |
ENG/TT | T/SGT | Herman Sussman | POW | - |
RO | T/SGT | George O. Dean | POW | - |
BT | S/SGT | Karl J. Letters | POW | - |
WG | S/SGT | Thomas H. Bell, Jr. | POW | - |
WG | S/SGT | Robert T. Peterson | POW | - |
TG | S/SGT | Joseph A. Peters, Jr. | POW | - |
11. November 2020 access_time 8:51
Wrong. They all survived, but they were shot down over Austria and all captured by the German army and imprisoned until the end of the war. The officers were sent to Stalag Luft 1. I know, my dad was the pilot. Thanks!
11. November 2020 access_time 19:31
Thanks Brian for the information.
I have added eyewitness statements to the loss of this B-17.
17. March 2024 access_time 2:23
Hi Brian, just now saw that you had commented here. Don’t forget about the book being available now through Amazon. The paperwork you shared of your dad’s is in there. Thank you so much for your help.
25. June 2023 access_time 21:19
I am the daughter of one of the above-listed POWs, Robert Peterson. Not sure what information or photos you might be interested in, but I have a lot.
26. June 2023 access_time 11:05
Hello Dayna,
that sounds interesting.
Do you have pictures of the crew or any aircraft (even in background)?
you can send me via email: info@b17flyingfortress.de
Thanks!
Jing
17. March 2024 access_time 2:26
Hi. I don’t have any of the whole crew, but I have some group shots the day they were rescued and certainly some of the guys that were on that plane. I just made a book available at cost through Amazon. It’s called Dad‘s Story Robert, Thor Peterson by Dayna Peterson Mason Gregg. Check it out. It’s got tons of photos in it. And my dad‘s story about being in the camp as well as other family information and what he found out when he went back 50 years later.
19. December 2023 access_time 2:59
Hi Dyana, my dad, Capt. Thalken, was the pilot. I’m interested to know if you have photos of the plane and crew? or of the men in the POW camp. Sorry to say I’d be less interested in POW photos as my dad and the other officers was sent to a different camp. Thanks for any information you can provide
17. March 2024 access_time 2:31
Hi Patrick, I’ve been in touch with Brian falcon to and granddaughter or niece, and got some information about your dad. That’s included in my book. I do have some pictures of my dad and a few of the guys at camp but I’m not sure what I have of other crewmembers besides my dad. Some of the day rescued I do have the group shot of your dad at camp too. I don’t have a group shot like that from my own dad‘s camp. Let me look and see what I have. But I’d highly recommend the book because it’s I put it at cost so it’s as cheap as it can be and it’s a hardbound book with lots of pictures and the story of his camp and when they were shot down with Chardon paperwork. Some of it came from your dad‘s files. Look at Amazon. — Dad’s Story, Robert Peterson , Dayna Peterson Mason Gregg. I can try to figure out how to send you the whole book on a text file if you wish but it’s way too large to go through email.